Saturday, September 16, 2006

Finding what is in there?

There is nothing I appreciate from ticking clocks and time progression, only that of maturity. Yes, I find maturity and being matured is one of life’s valuable assets. It clarifies the mind, it gives a lot of understanding of one’s self, therefore one can make the right decision without harming one’s self or others. It is purely peaceful tranquility, it is just majestically the calm blue sea, it is love at its ease, and I wish everyone inner peace.
The thing is, human beings are so complex regardless of how simple and naïve a person maybe perceived or how he/she perceives their selves. We are made of so many interlaying, entangling emotional feelings, and our responses and reactions to them can be really vague, incomprehensible and obscure at times, and then the stupid - confusion – takes over.
I hate it when I am confused. It is like the rage of the sea monsters, and you wonder from where did these fictional monsters arise from, how and why?
And it takes a lot of courage, and inner strength to clarify the self, to know the self. And one should be independent from the mainstream genre, one should really see one’s self through the perspective of one’s self, I am not trying to be too individualistic, we are social beings afterall, but at times, too much dictation from what the socialization process to be ‘normal’ or the pressure to be along the lines of being ‘normal’, can hinder one’s ability to understand one’s self.
Not what works for everyone, but it works for they self, a lot of people may say “Duh”, but not a lot of people realize that, and not a lot of people realize of the courage of drawing their own conclusions that are suitable to their own well being, and the empowerment they can can feel if they do so.
Understanding one’s self and knowing the principles that one can find through observation, contemplation and meditation, therefore maturity is one powerful feeling and that reaching the ‘being’, and that reaching ‘inner strength’.

20 comments:

still breathing said...

Maturity: Be able to stick with a job until it is finished. Be able to bear an injustice without having to get even. Be able to carry money without spending it. Do your duty without being supervised.
~Ann Landers

damn hard, huh?

zmanutdz said...

'Not what works for everyone, works for they self ' , I am going through that phase actually and heading towards MYSELF hopefully.

'Understanding one’s self and knowing the principles that one can find through observation, contemplation and meditation, therefore maturity is one powerful feelings and that reaching the ‘being’, and that reaching ‘inner strength’. ' Such a rich summary, lol, and 'inner strength' again.

Fayrouz said...

Hi Gil,

I wanted to be the first to drop you a happy birthday note.

Thank you for your note. It's amazing how many people I met during the last week who were born in September. I missed Virgo by two days and became a Libra :-)

Gilgamish said...

hey still breathing,

I agree with your quote, it really touches upon maturity that we really need in our very realistic lives, but i think before anything, we need to be matured on what we want, and that needs alot of self-realizations, but i do agree, sometimes life necessitates what we do not want to do or be.

But i vehemently, disagree with this part though....

"Be able to bear an injustice without having to get even"

not so matured to say so, i believe in explaining myself, and in getting my rights, excluding situations where i might jeopardize my life, and that is a totally different situation, but i still do believe in rising for what i stand, self-supression will only lead to make a very immatured society where self-actualization will be hard to reach.


hi zmanutdz,

"'inner strength' again."

yes, dont we all need it.

"'Not what works for everyone, works for they self ' , I am going through that phase actually and heading towards MYSELF hopefully."

All best 3yooni, i am sure you will head where you want, you are honest with yourself and you think of your self-actualization, you are a smart guy after all. :)


Fayruz,

Shukran alot 7abeebti, wala you will be missed :)

"Thank you for your note. It's amazing how many people I met during the last week who were born in September"

yeah, sept seems like a popular month, a friend of mine was born on sept 11th, what a date for a birthday :D


salam all.

Little Penguin said...

Marx wouldn't be too happy if he read your post. but who gives a damn about Marx?

I agree with what you said about maturity but I don't see it happening when so much drama is unforlding before our eyes. How am I meant to contemplate my existence or meditate whilst tens of Iraqis are being killed everyday? It's impossible.

I don't want this discussion to take a politcal turn but it's insnae to think that we can reach self-actualisation by without being too individualistic. I can't be good to myself whilst ignoring the suffering of Iraqis and Sudanese and the Kenyan, etc etc.

still breathing said...

u have a good point.

and hey! u should blog more often!!

Gilgamish said...

"but who gives a damn about Marx?"

6ab3an :D


"I agree with what you said about maturity but I don't see it happening when so much drama is unforlding before our eyes. How am I meant to contemplate my existence or meditate whilst tens of Iraqis are being killed everyday? It's impossible."

you are being at the very far end of the altruistic spectrum, yeah of course we should care, after all we are humans first and Iraqis !
And i think it is kind of hard to help others, if you can't help yourself,how can you give love and passion to change the well being of the destitute if you dont have love inside, or some other things you need to reach at leas some leavel of self-realization, of who you are and what are you capable to do, not alot of people are aware of themselves, so their action can be quite scarce at some point, are the Iraqis aware that their collective effort can make a revolution to change Iraq (i know i am disregarding power politics, but still, we had things like the French revolution back in history, people are capable of making a change). you need to know your objectives. and I can not be so infused with emotions over what is happening in Iraq and leave the well being of myself.
probably you are the altruistic one, and i am not really that, or it could be bcz of age (sorry if i am being judgemental andi can be wrong), you remind me of myself when i was your age, i did not have sleep at nights thinking of Iraq and what can i do to help iraq, could it be our emotional outrage, but think about it rationally, how can we possibly help in changing over what is happening in iraq, are you willing to go their, and preach peace and probably work with Iraq's different factions and try to mitigate their differences. The first reply you will tell me is that you need to finish your studies, but isn't that individualistic, rn't most of the Iraqis outside Iraq, even the ones inside Iraq think of themselves first.....and isn't important to take that in regard if we want to make a change in Iraq.
what are the possibilities that we can do and how>?


"it's insnae to think that we can reach self-actualisation by without being too individualistic. I can't be good to myself whilst ignoring the suffering of Iraqis and Sudanese and the Kenyan, etc etc."

i do agree with you somehow, but in the same time, one can not forget their selves, and it is important to know one's self in order to interact better with the surounding, it can be from the individual to the collective and vise versa, and it is not even purely a western phenomenon, i guess it is also in Islam il wa7id ham lazim i7asib nafseh, i think you even need maturity to understand moral values, and that takes time for some people.

but yeah, we can not keep thinking about ourselves, and yes why not contemplate about other people's situation, probably hehee, the Iraqi politicians should do that instead of fighting over a stupid flag, dont they have to secure lives?!

we need collective efforts but it come from the self, uno self as its buildng block, and I wish if this self is enlightened.

Gilgamish said...

thanx still braething, i will try when i have the time, the idea and the mood, all in the same time. yes, mood swings is not so much of a matured thing :D

zmanutdz said...

I agree with what Gilgamish said , good she had the effort to write it all out.

little penguin, wallah very nice of you to write this but again it is so unrealistic my friend. Iraqis outside all say that they should do this and that and I only know two men that are really doing something to help Iraq. The rest are just dont know what to do, cant be bothered or just reached a neutral face after years of disappointment and bad memories.

I think the bottom line is that humans are selfish and Gilgamish said that I think and I have to agree. We think about ourselves first full stop. Personally, I have dreams and plans for my life, I am not ready to sacrifice them for Iraq and especially the chances of me doing anything meaningful now is close to nothing.

I think the talk of the ' french revolution ' is abit outdated. Today it is all about international politics, what decides what war/ revolution is taking place is not the people. True, the people need to execute the revolution but they will only be pawns. Super powers and the capitalist have the final say, it sounds like a conspiracy theory but that's my understanding of what's happening.

I used to get so emotional about Iraq and how Iraqis should do this and that but again I look around and see America there for no real logical reason and all the chaos that's happening. Nothing makes sense but again I learned from here and there and found part of the truth and hopefully the coming days will reveal the rest.

Sorry for taking this way out of subject, Gilgamish feel free to delete the comment , it is very irrelevant and super long. I admire your patience if you reached this stage.

Gilgamish said...

zmanutdz good to see you again,



"I think the bottom line is that humans are selfish and Gilgamish said that I think and I have to agree."


probably i did not quite clarify myself, but i am never and will never be an absolutist when it comes to definitions, yes scientists found the selfish gene, but not all humans are alike. i think what i was trying to say is that the self needs to be fulfilled, and needs to be understood, and yes we need to contemplate, we can for example contemplate if humans are selfish and see what we can do with that.

it is about realizing what've got and make the best out of it, but of course the conclusion is up to you, and many different people will take it to whatever place, or thought they find suitable to themselves, there are people who lived for themsleves, so they did, there are people who sacrficed their lives for others, and so they did.
i don't see it black or white.


"We think about ourselves first full stop."

selfishness to altruisim, the range of how much one is selfish or altruistic is infinite.


"I think the talk of the ' french revolution ' is abit outdated. Today it is all about international politics, what decides what war/ revolution is taking place is not the people."

people are so fully controlled, they need t breath :D

but you see, human beings might not have learned form history, but there are human rights agencies, there are people who speak of idealism as well, people did work hard to get to this idealism, there is even an interional relations theory that speak of it, so we do have thinkers that go along the line of this.
Human rights watch and such idealism might be ajoke for so many people, UN inability can be a total shame.......but still, this did not happen out of the blue, aku fachi motivates us to do better, but yes, i take realism into perspective, i believe in being balanced, and that is another theory to its own.


"True, the people need to execute the revolution but they will only be pawns."

true on dat.

"Sorry for taking this way out of subject, Gilgamish feel free to delete the comment , it is very irrelevant and super long. I admire your patience if you reached this stage. "

no its ok, and no i dont wana delete it, it is good that iraqis are talking about this, very important in my opinion. so admire my petience 3ala kayfak :D


take care :)

zmanutdz said...

'i don't see it black or white.' , but I am sure the ratio is not balanced, the overall majority of people are simply slefish ( I am not saying it is a bad thing because it is just the way humans are ). How many people gave away their life to help others ? I am sure there are many Mother Theresas out there who are doing their work unrecognised but the majority is simply too selfish to do,care or even think about others.


'but you see, human beings might not have learned form history'

They will seldom learn unfortunately.

' but there are human rights agencies, there are people who speak of idealism as well, people did work hard to get to this idealism, there is even an interional relations theory that speak of it, so we do have thinkers that go along the line of this.'

I met many of these people who look up to certain values and seeking this idealism but they are such a small minority. They are maybe on the right track of achieving thier self-actualisation and reaching that 'self' finally but I dont see them fitting into our ' world ', credit to them taking the hard line of seeking their idealism but they are merely dreamers in a world full of nightmares.

'UN inability can be a total shame'

UN has no power or authority really so we better not expect anything from there.

'i take realism into perspective, i believe in being balanced, and that is another theory to its own'

Yes the balance suits best I think but again all of this talk is on individual level fa let everyone decide their own balance.

Take care :)

still breathing said...

just wanted 2 let u know that i read every single word of ur reply to my post..and that i understood the passion behind them...

i'm glad that a person like u exists!

thx my friend! :)

Maxxed`ouT said...

Why don't you just chill and let the " what is there " find you ?

Gilgamish said...

still breathing,


i deleted it, bcz i wanted to edit it, i have it saved lol, i can re-send it to you if you want. and no i am not weird, just want u to be happy even though i do not know you. :)

hi maxxedout,

"Why don't you just chill and let the " what is there " find you ? "

how can it find it, if i am in a situation i do not that it is it.
but it can work spontaneously like u said, and sometimes it does not.

better go eat dinner :)

Maxxed`ouT said...

so what's for dinner ?

still breathing said...

i get comments on my email...so i read it!

thanks alot :)

Gilgamish said...

chicken.

Gilgamish said...

still breathing, u sure it was my email, cz i did not email it. i post it on ur site, and then i deleted it, cz i wanted to do some editing, it was long though.

The Eyewitness said...

I liked this post a lot. And I think that one of the main points that should be always remembered during our march of getting to know ourselves, that we are valualbe and loved even if we have a lot of bad personal charachteristics that we don't like. Hope you all the best with your march inside yourself.

still breathing said...

no..u got it wrong...

when people comment on the blog, i automatically receive those comments on my email..
thats an available option on any blog btw...

i just wanted u to know that i didn't take ur words for granted..and that i read and felt them too. :)