Thursday, January 18, 2007

Of Muslim/Christian Relations this week

I – Sociopolitical


I do not have details, but the city where I live, one guy, a convert from Islam to Christianity originally Lebanese, he fought during the Lebanese civil war, quite ironically against the Christian side. A war graduate, this guy made a one hour speech in a church, about the threat of Islam, Islam according to him is a religion of war and seizer of those unlucky infidels to be in “hell”, his speech attracted many, the non Christians, the Muslims who wanted to challenge this man’s need for some attentions, also, it attracted many Christians whom they found the whole scenario as unrepresentative of their views and thought of it as propagating hate, many wanted to challenge this man, however, there were the ones who wanted to know more about the origins of the drawbacks of Islam, one of those people, I talked to , not in any Church or in any zealot gathering, but a taxi driver, I was on my way to starbucks to meet some friend for some coffee, totally unaware of the extent of this ongoing event in my very quiet city. This taxi driver asked me if I am university student, and what am I studying and all these type of questions, pretty unusual, and he asked me what I think of what happened. Weird. My opinion seemed to be of value to him, but with all due honesty, I told him that I was reading only news headlines, and I have not had the mood nor the time to take an interest in these stuff, but we talked about it nevertheless, we brought the Danish cartoon and the Muslim reaction, what I found really hard, is to defend it from a Muslim point of view, I have always found it hard to be confounded within any religious realm, rising my opinion among my Muslim fellows, is not as much as different as a westerner raising his/her opinion, well to some extent, but what I told the Taxi driver - after broadcasting the news that I come from a Muslim family , that “Muslims are mostly moderate, and most of them want peaceful lives, and the speech was uncalled for”, but I meant every word I said, why would this guy want to disrupt our way of life in this very peaceful city, I have always took pride, that Muslims in my city did not react the same reactionary way as other Muslims from other parts of the globe, I have always took pride that Muslims in my city, protest in a very civil manner unlike what happened violently in France, Canada is just different, but then again, 2006 they busted a terrorist cell in Toronto, however, how far would this escalate, I believe it is dependent on the Canadian foreign policy, if we lead a pro US stance, then I am sorry, simply because it means we are going to enter a war, we must respect and cherish our economic ties with the US by not forgetting our identity as Canadians, we are peacemakers, and if that is laughable, so be it!
As I was approaching starbucks, the taxi driver, seemed to be enigmatic and ardent to ask me this question, that why is it hard to critique Islam without expecting an effusive reaction?
This has always been my question, and when a person asks a question that I usually ask, or lets just say, when a person asks MY question, would he be expecting an answer! I felt hesitant, I tried to play down my insecurities, conceal it with some naïve, self-belittling sarcasm, I told him that “ I haven’t used my brain for a time, ever since I graduated”, and He laughed at me, I guess I a m good for amusement purposes, I added, that “I don’t have a job yet and I just want to see my friend for coffee, and both of us are infidels from Muslim and Christian point of view, and I have not thought about this issue for a long time”, he continued with his laughter, as he was stopping to drop me, he asked “so you gona get wasted for the day”, I told him no “its just coffee”. But sure, I did have some Heinekens, weird, I guess Christians are good in predicting my future drinking habits, but honestly, bars are much nicer on Mondays, you can actually hear people speaking, No, you can actually have some good stimulating talk, I thank the “infidels” for that.

oh , and yesterday my cousin volunteered to safe guard the mosque.




Muslim/Christian relations

II --Romance


A lot of people discriminate when choosing a handsome lover, rich husband, big breasted wife, and it is based on a lot of checklists, however, there are people that can transcend such differences or their religious and cultural checklists of whom they have to marry, that’s when discrimination is deleted and tossed in the garbage bin.

A close friend of mine is in love with a Christian man, and she is Muslim, in a society as mixed as ours such problems will also, put the real intimate relationships of Muslims and Christians under a microscope.
The real similarity is that both religions dissect, and shred human relationships until it fissiles and dies, especially when it is put in an eastern, collective context.
In a collective society, both groom and bride also marry the families to be soon to be their relative families, and this is a harbinger of soon to be diluted personalities of both groom and bride.
With Muslim/Christian love stories, if one party (family) does not accept the other, heartbreak is inevitable, and these are the cases of many.
I have witnessed many accounts of such inevitable breakup of religious differences, my Chaldean Iraq friend and his ex Iranian Muslim girlfriend, my Iraqi Muslim friend with her Lebanese Christian boyfriend, there was a lot of love involved, they were ready for marriage, but all belonged to on common dominator that they had to sacrifice o the well being of their families --- it does not matter if one’s family is accepting, it only works if both parties (families) are accepting. What is even funny, when I type Muslim, Christian, I do not type their real faith, I type what they have to be, my Chaldean friend and his ex, both belonged to non of the Abrahimic religions, they were free in the brain, the Lebanese guy was a devout atheist.
This friend of mine, made me think, that there can only be superficial relationships between the followers of these two religions.

Yesterday, I had interesting chats with my friend, well in Iraqi I would call her khala/auntie, she is the Iraqi Chaldean lady that I was and still helping with her case to bring her handicap son over to Canada. A month a go, when she invited me to her home for some chayi/tea, she showed me pictures of her sons, daughters, their wedding pictures, I do not remember how the conversation well, but I remember she was telling me that she chose the wife for her elder son, and she did not want him to marry the girl that he was in love with,, and I was a bit surprised and shocked, since she came across to me as a open minded Iraqi lady, and liberal, “I never thought you were like that” I asked her , she answered “I did not like the girl’s family, they came to threaten us”, but she said it in a weird tone, and she looked at me in the eye, I felt weird, I knew right away, or at least my instinct told me , that the girl that her son was in love with, was a Muslim girl, but I kept it as a doubt.
Strange as it is, the topic came up yesterday, as I told her about my friend, she sympathized and confessed to me the real story. The girl that her son was in love with, was a Muslim, even the girl’s mom came to her house to ask her permission for them to marry, I thought it was strange, as in Islam Muslim women are not allowed to marry non Christians, I do not know details, but it seemed that the girl’s mom wanted to protect her daughter’s reputation, since their clan or tribe was threatening. Khala’s reasoning, was also, in protection of her family, she told me that she did not want to be ostracized from her relatives, also, she will lose her clan/tribe and as her other sons and daughters were not married at that time; her daughters will lose suitors, and her sons won’t be accepted. She sacrificed one son’s freedom in the sake of others. She told me, in Iraq it does not work, and it is true, I remember one neighbor back in Iraq, the father was Muslim and the wife was Mandean, they never had relatives visiting, they were ostracized from both families.
But what is so weird, about khala N, is that she regrets it, and she said, it was a mistake, and she continued of how times have changed, and how she encouraged my friend to find love in whoever she feels comfortable being with, she added that is in Canada and not in Iraq. But also, in Canada families ostracize their kids, as in the case of the friends I mentioned, and most cases people choose family over the love of their lives, for that reason.

I chatted with mom about this case too, what is so interesting, the devout, head covered Muslim mother of mine, was the liberal hip chick of her time, mini skirts, and all the 1970s innuendo, what is so interesting, mom confessed to me that she was in love with a Christian Iraqi man, she even thought of going to the US with him, so she won’t have to face the consequences of such union from both sides, I wish if it happened, I would be from a liberal family right now, how cool, anyways, mom chose her family in the end, and chose my religious dad. (I am laughing now).
Mom also, told me so many other stories, she told me the story of my auntie’s best friend, she was too in love with a Christian man, and he was ready to leave his family for her, her mom also, accepted it, as she thought that they will gain thawab/virtue if he converts, but his family did not accept it. Auntie’s best friend, flew to Baghdad just to hear my mom’s advice, my mom told her you can not do this to the guy, and to leave him. According to mom, in less than one year, she found another man and married him.
Mom’s most”virtuous” story, is that hearts can change, and she kept preaching the difference between dreams and boundaries, and how even when one married, he/she can be in love with other guy/gal if they felt emotionally empty.
I asked mom, “If I was in love with a guy who is a not Muslim, would [she] accept it, even when she was in the same situation?”, “No, you can’t lose your akhirtich/afterlife”, she answered.
And then we had a fight as usual.
We talked about ethics, and it is funny how she blurred and paralleled two complete thought processes with the same end conclusion, she thought just because I think it is ok for people to intermarry, and just because I do not agree with god’s rulings, then it is also, easy for me to accept theft for example. Mom asked “what would rebuke you from doing so, if you think that way?”
Masters in electrical engineering my mom is, and this is her thought process, how pathetic, well, I do love mom, and I do think she is a very smart women, but that was distasteful. How can you correlated freedoms that are so ethical with freedoms that are not. But apparently, ethics come from god, and for me, ethics come from me. And it is so funny that mom proclaims that we all pray for the same god.

And I write this to god, if you are so merciful, if you are the most wise, why did you create so many religions, couldn’t you foresee the future, can you hear the suffering of the masses you created?

Coming to compare mom’s Islam and Khala N’s Christianity, I would prefer khala’s point of view, she confessed and learned from her mistake, as s he said “love is beautiful”, and as for mom she said to me “keep on learning piano, keep on writing, so you can put a good chunk of your feelings away, to think realistically, you have to see reality”. My mom disappointed me.

I careless now.

Oh, and Khala N’s uncalled efforts to find me a nice man, failed, as the man she sought to me, is not single apparently, is just his mom did not want him to marry his Christian girlfriend, after all, Muslim men can marry from the holy book believers legally.

Now, god, why are hell are you so sexist? Maybe you do not want Muslim women’s offspring to be non- Muslim, but why did you create this chaotic life anyway?

Oh, and mom advised, that I cannot express or show my so unreligious tendencies to the suitor who is proposing.

How can I have so much faith, if I can’t find god’s laws to be harmonious to the humanity I perceive and feel?

How am I supposed to defend Islam to the Taxi driver, if I can’t myself?

We don’t need religion. Enough division.

22 comments:

Ra3d said...

gilga: God didn't create different religions. it's peoplewho do so.
there were those messengers coming to people preaching for One God " taw7id", among them were jesus and Mauseus , and Muhammed as the wraping up for the same message.However, people decided to be biast & strict,out of this old vicious human tendency to be the best & right and allothers are inferiors. So people of Jesus couldn't accept another messenger with same message & so did jews. Neither God nor his messengers asked people to have different religions, but people decided to disagree & forget about the "tawhid" call for the sake of being superior. human fatal sins that made the divisons.in my opinion i guess

programmer craig said...

Religious beliefs should be personal, in my opinion. That's why it's called Spirituality. It's supposed to be a matter between the individual and God, and nobody else's business. I think all problems in religion come about when people try to impose their own beliefs on others. That's always a disaster. It doesn't have to be that way. People are perfectly capable of accepting others into their family even when they have different religious beliefs.

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Highlander said...

Sorry about my deleted comment Gilgamesh .. was half asleep when I made it :P
ok here it is revised properly : Maybe it is easier to marry a non Arab Christian than an Arab ?

programmer craig said...

Maybe it is easier to marry a non Arab Christian than an Arab ?

This is an excellent idea! I endorse it completely :D

Seriously, besides the fact that I think Arab girls are hot, I don't think most western Christians have any issues with inter-faith marriages.

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noname_noname said...

"I don't think most western Christians have any issues with inter-faith marriages"

When you say "Western Christians" are you referring to the men/woman or families?

As for men, I think most men don't have problems with marriage out of their faith regardless of religion, they'll do anything to get laid? As for religion don't "Western Christians" believe in the bible too? If they do here is what the Bible says about interfaith marriage:

"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything." – [Ephesians 5:22-24]

Doesn't "everything" here apply to even religion? The same can be said about Christian Woman not marrying Christian men in the Bible again :

“A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord” [1 Corinthians 7:39]

Then there are these verses :

“Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial [Satan]? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols?” [2 Corinthians 6:14-16]


Don't these prohibit Christian marriage to non-Christians?


But apart from religion when it comes to "interfaith marriage" it usually isn't about faith and rarely about love at least not mutually, even though recently there have been some exceptions to this brought about by Muslim girls brought up in the west who can't find spouses; and can't relate to the spouses presented to them from their home countries because of the cultural differences, which I will address a little later.

For Middle-Eastern men it is usually about getting a visa/green card or foreign passport and once they guarantee that, they almost always divorce if she doesn't convert or move back with him to his original country.

As for Western Men, this topic bring to mind a conversation I had with an American Engineer working in the Middle-East who told me that he had previously married two American (Christian) Woman and they gave him hell and mistreated his mother and neglected him and were just interested in his money, which led him to marrying a young Chinese woman. When I asked him what the difference was he said she was cheaper (wedding), didn't ask for a lot of money and was a virgin he specifically said "it would be almost impossible to find a virgin older than 13 in the US; they are all sluts" of course I know he is exaggerating; 15 is the slutty age.

But this conversation and this site I found www.goodwife.com both raise serious questions about why western men are attracted to foreign woman who come from less developed countries. It seems that mainly they are attracted to the womans obedience and family commitment, which is kind of hypocritical as that is exactly what their governments are fighting and they claim they oppose through feminism, especially in Muslim countries.

Another way of looking at it is that western men are critical of Middle-Eastern men because Middle-Eastern woman are loving and caring and obedient, which they think Muslim men impose on them ( of course there are bad Muslim men but they are no different from any other men and religion isn't what make them bad its usually the less faithful who are bad ), while they love Middle Eastern woman and Asian woman for the exact same reason; isn't that hypocrisy ?

To add to the above reason a married American Christian woman at work once told me that the reason most American couples don't get married is because of the divorce laws in the US, which in some states could entitle the wife to up to half of all the husbands ownings. This is also another reason why many American men marry from abroad since they can revoke the foreign wives green card should she disobey him within the first years of marriage, which gives them a lot of leverage and a grace period to try her out. Revoking the green card isn't the only resolve; abuse and murder also come to mind as there have been many high profile murders and rape and abuse and imprisonment cases of foreign wives who haven't "respected" their American husbands:

Man accused of stabbing his mail-order bride to death

Mail-order bride's dream of a better life ends in death

Court affirms verdict against matchmaker agency


The seriousness of this has led the US government to draft a law entitling prospective foreign wives that meet through marriage brokers to see their suitors rap sheets of course this excludes those who meet through the internet; but I'm sure out of good faith all American suitors in the blogosphere will be willing to forward their rap sheets?

It should be mentioned that this bill has faced a lot of anger from would be suitors, supposedly it abuses their right to abuse foreign woman? An American womans perspective on this can be found here:

Cool Beans

and here is a debate between American men and woman on the bill, which is quite interesting :

Seeking Foreign Brides

They were debating this article :

Purpose of Online Dating Rights

here is another article, discussing the issue's relevance in Europe :

Domestic slavery: servitude, au pairs and “mail-order brides”

Even though I know this also exists in some gulf Muslim countries, but my comments aren't only for Muslim woman, rather its a warning to all woman who may be abused and taken advantage of to be wary of us men (I guess that includes me). Also I think its fair game as I never said Arab Muslim men are better than Arab Christians or western Christians, not that religion has anything to do with male instincts and animal urges; apart from trying to rein it in, I think this applies to all religions ? and to our angles out there men can't be singled out to take the blame alone; you can say no or not put yourselves in a position where you have to say anything in the first place.

Now to the "Western Christian Families" role in the marriage, this is kind of funny as families in the west usually try to insert independence in their children at a very young age which usually leads them to take independent decisions in their lives without any regard to their parents opinion so I don't see a strong affect for the family other than repeatedly stating their position, but I can give some examples of the western family attitude to interfaith marriage. As there are no statistics I think both me and PC are relying on our personal experiences in proving our points? The best place to start would be the blogosphere and I think the best example would be Alluring Me who has had to suffer her Christian Grandparents hatred of her mother even though she is their sons daughter and shouldn't be blamed for her fathers choice, but maybe thats because her grandparents are catholic (here)? she also mentions that her husbands mother, who was also catholic before marriage, had the same problems with her family. Another example would be Carmen whose boyfriend asked her to convert, to baptize her children and her boyfriend even mentioned that his family might have problems with her being Muslim, to which she replied she could become catholic on paper only to appease him so they could get married in a church, but again he is Catholic(here).

Another great example I found would be this Canadian girl who asked an online relationship ad visor on how to proceed with her love for a Muslim guy, to say the truth I was astonished I knew there were problems on both sides of the equilibrium but didn't think it was this bad :

I am dating a very wonderful Muslim man

For the lazy type who can't be bothered to click a link, here are some excerpts :

"I would advice you to re-think this through. Most Muslim expect and want you to convert. Ask him if he can convert to Christian, I assure you that will not happen but I’m eager to find out why. My niece was married to a Muslim, she too said that she was in love, the marriage lasted two years. What I’m trying to say is this DON’T DO IT."

"Hi, my name is Leanne, and I just saw your dilemma on the internet. My advise is unless he is willing to accept Christ as his personnel Lord and Savior then drop him. The bible makes is clear you do not mix with unbelievers. Do not marry him unless he is on fire for Jesus. Find a nice chrsitian man to marry, plenty out there. Islam is a very violent religion, so please be careful that he does not hit you. A lot of responses you are getting are from people who are not real christians. I am a real christian, and I say to you again, incourage him to accept Christ in his heart and tell him Jesus loves him and died for him. Do not marry him until he becomes a born again christian, and if he does not then please do not marry him, and you should know that if anybody dies without accepting Christ, then Hell awaits them after death, then the Judgment and then the lake of fire buring with brimstone. You need somebody to encourage you in your faith as a christian and vise versa. I am talking about your christain faith. In times of trouble you and him can pray to Jesus to help you and you partner. Take my advise, unless he is at least willing to learn about Christ and what he done for your partner on the cross, then get rid of him. As I said God makes it very clear in scripture that you do not mix with unbelievers. God will help you find somebody else in time if your current partner is not willing to accept. If he doesn’t want to learn then he is just like a cancer to you unless you get rid of him."



From my own personal experience the funniest story I can remember is of a Muslim friend living in the US with an American Christian wife, but his stepmother would never let him travel abroad with his wife unless she was with them !!!! so much for tolerance and open mindedness. As for American Christians living in the middle east maybe the strangest story was that of a friends wife who stayed Christian after marriage and openly drank (alcohol) and smoked, her Muslim husband ( my friend ) also didn't have a problem with drinking ( he drank as well ), but her parents kept bugging her about divorce to such an extent that she stopped regularly visiting them; instead of visiting annually it became every four years they even tried to take her children away from her when she visited alone without her husband. Guess they don't want them to become Muslims? of course not all westerners openly ( most do secretly ) oppose interfaith marriage, but peoples love for their siblings rarely changes on religious or ethnic lines so they tend to love them regardless of what they do even if they don't agree and show otherwise.

Lastly, wooooooooomaaaaaaaaaannnnnnn.
Well if they are devout Christians the above scripture from [1 Corinthians 7:39] shows how they should act, as for Muslim women it is agreed on that they aren't supposed to marry non-Muslims of course all Muslims aren't allowed to marry anyone who isn't a devout believer of either Christianity or Judasim ( men and woman )and for men the non-Muslim woman has to be chaste and virtuous which invalidates many of todays marriages. On the other hand Muslim woman were excluded from being allowed to marry Christians or Jews and that is for a simple reason; which is that Christians and Jews do not believe in Islam or in the Prophet Mohammed PBUH being a prophet at all, while Muslims do believe in both prophets Jesus and Moses PBUthem, and a Muslim man is expected to respect ( by Islam ) his non-Muslim wife and not coerce her into Islam, while in the opposing case you cannot expect somebody who doesn't believe in your religion being a religion in the first place to respect it, I mean really respect it. Another factor is what all religions and everyday life shows, and that is, that most of the time men do have an upper hand in the relationship and as Islam expect a wife to be faithful and respectful to her husband a lot of things can be unfair and harder for a Muslim woman married to a man who abides by a religion that doesn't recognize her faith; as it is easier for men to push woman around even, in our current day and time, which shows that religions shouldn't change with time or adapted to suit or new time or trends; because we really haven't changed either ?

I have to say that this comment is for those who regard themselves as faithful followers and who choose to follow the religious texts of their religion, as I know that the lack of faith of both parts (bride/groom) of the marriage, which takes both of them closer to atheism, helps the marriage in succeeding. But as Gilgamish pointed out her reference to Muslims and Christians aren't really Muslims or Christians thats just what they "had to be" to them I say if you are so confident why don't you drop the act and get married I mean it isn't as if your "faith" in your religion stops you from doing everything else why should what it says with regards to marriage suddenly be an issue?

programmer craig said...

Noname, I'm not sure if I should respond to you, or if you even expect a response, but I will anyway :)

When you say "Western Christians" are you referring to the men/woman or families?

I'm speaking of American Christians. I should say "Western Christians" because I don't know anything about Christianity as it is practiced in other countries.

Note that I am also talking about Protestants, not Catholics.

As for men, I think most men don't have problems with marriage out of their faith regardless of religion, they'll do anything to get laid?

Men do not need to get married, to get laid.

As for religion don't "Western Christians" believe in the bible too? If they do here is what the Bible says about interfaith marriage:

What you quoted was from Corinthians. Paul explicitly states that what he says in "Corinthians" does not come from God, but is his own PERSONAL opinion.

I don't wish to argue with you about scripture, but even in Corinthians there are verses that allow Christians to marry non-Christians. Seek, and ye shall find :)

I disagree with you about what the Quran says about marriage as well. I think it's been misinterpreted. The rules appear to be exactly teh same for men and women both, in the Quran, as far as I've been able to determine. If it's OK for men it's OK for women, when it comes to marriage. But I know that is not a reality in the Muslim world, and I'm not Muslim, so I won't argue the issue.

I'm skipping your comments about mail order brides and people who are seeking visas. That has nothing whatsoever to do with religion, and it's not clear to me why you put it in here?

Most Christians in the US are Protestant. I've never met a Protestant who had a problem with interfaith marriages. I have met Protestants who (as a personal decision) would never even date somebody who wasn't a devout Christian. But that was a decision they made FOR THEMSELVES.

I'm familiar with some of the stories you mentioned, and I sympathize with people who are having difficulties with the acceptance of their families.

I married a Chinese Buddhist woman. Her family accepted me without reservation, and my family accepted her without reservation. And my Father's family is quite religious. My Uncle was a missionary in Australia and South America for most of his life for some 30 years.

Bottom line... interfaith marriage is not prohibited in the Bible - you can read Corinthians as you please, and come to your own conclusions, but be aware that others feel differently about what is said there. Since it's not prohibited, it is a personal decision people make.

That's my take on it, anyway :)

And please, if you reply, I am genuinely NOT interested in arguing scripture with you! :)

Gilgamish said...

"But as Gilgamish pointed out her reference to Muslims and Christians aren't really Muslims or Christians thats just what they "had to be" to them I say if you are so confident why don't you drop the act and get married I mean it isn't as if your "faith" in your religion stops you from doing everything else why should what it says with regards to marriage suddenly be an issue?"


it is good to know that you know what i was talking hehehe, bcz i do not have any knowledge about practising Muslims and Christians intermarrying, only superficially.. i have seen mostly muslim men marrying non muslim women,and alot of them convert, or their kids follow their muslim fathers.
but i am talking about naturally irreligioius ppl and the problems they face from their families, and i am sorry,i have explained little bit why these ppl broke up, although their families were the reaons, but it was not all of the story. the source of the problem is cultural, in eastern cultures, whether musilm or christian, conformity is a requirement, even some hardcore middle eastern christians do not allow their sons/daughters to marry christians/muslims from people who do not share their backgrounds.

"while they love Middle Eastern woman and Asian woman for the exact same reason; isn't that hypocrisy ?"

from the very few examples i have witnessed of middle eastern women marring western men, i can not but object, that these women were not traditional and not obedient as in naively docile, or unindependent...most of them were intellectual , capable..., i mean it is strange to see m.e women marrying a guy out of her culture, religion to start with, it must tell alot aobut her personality...also...there r really few examples to have an idea reallly...


raghooda,

what you have said, is fulfilling for you religiously and spiritually speaking, and i have took a different route, more of a critique i suppose...you said
"Neither God nor his messengers asked people to have different religions"
i guess i was critiquing god's omnipotent, timless, omnipresence "characteristics", didn't he create time, didn't he percieve the future, why all this mess,,,,,,this is the route i am taking....?!

pc,
"Religious beliefs should be personal, in my opinion. That's why it's called Spirituality. It's supposed to be a matter between the individual and God, and nobody else's business"

i wish if thats the casse, sadly it is not.

highlander,

welcome to my blog.:)
as to what you said
" Maybe it is easier to marry a non Arab Christian than an Arab ? "

honestly, i do not know. and which side are you talking about, and which people are you talking about....its too general to ask.
and i am the wrong person to ask, i usually tend to hang out with non religious people, i do not know christian westerners well, although i have been in a church, and i have been in a christmas party once. the westerners i know are not church goers.
but family wise, i think western christians most probably are more accepting than muslims.

Gilgamish said...

sorry no name, i did not write ur name or said welcome. welcome to my blog :)

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