Friday, May 30, 2008

Radicalism is a Must.

I have learned that extremism might not necessarily be extremism per se, and that is referring to whole attached negative euphemism of -extremism; only what I understand now, is that extremism is simply, whatever that is contrary to the status quo, conventionalism or changing such conventionalism.
Change is inevitable however stagnant, and it will be as such at many historical intervals, and such inertia of no change can take a while, if not years and centuries.
Maybe it does not sound correct, maybe I am trying to coin the word radical.
However, one needs to be radical to reach a certain extreme point whom the society can not accept nor fathom.
Extremism is a composite of radicalism and radicalism is the process of inventing a new thought, though not technological to facilitate laziness/costs of production into material production but it is the soul and the spirit of human freedom and discovery amid its unknown unconscious and complex changing realities than can put forth different realms of values simultaneously.

The reason that radicalism is the unacceptable breakthrough, lies behind many many reasons. It can be new, untried, scary.

For them not accepting it, it might change power structures and positions for some key people whom would not subdue to such change.
Or not being able to fathom such radical concepts, because their level of “understanding” is still stagnant at one level and they can not imagine otherwise, and also, perceptions Change Reality and ingrained values can not be seen otherwise due to fear, anxiety, life complications and not being able to freely contemplate Life and its existence therefore -curiosity is somehow ceased into the oblivion.
As crazy it is, native Americans could not visually see the European ships reaching their Shore, because they have never seen a SHIP before. Reality is not 100 percent perceived, we change reality, we change our variables yet there is something out there, but who can cope to see it...

Also, and most importantly extremism or the incipient thoughts of radicalism occur because humanity did not reach a certain interval which is the complete manifestation of itself and that understanding itself and the “truthful” values of its existence.
Knowing is always different than realizing and realizing always different than manifestation, not everyone can manifest what he/she realizes, it takes you to the next level of being AWARE.

We all have different levels of staying in touch with “reality” or what makes “reality” to us.
Even at such level of rational-industrial stage of humanity, I still think we lack behind and very very quite backward.

but how do I measure us? Not really just TV or our lack of sustainable development, I think it is the sense of my soul that feels like crying....


p.s. though Standard is a Must ....

5 comments:

nadia said...

Did you have anything in particular in mind when you were thinking about this?

It's weird that we usually only conceive of "radical" ideas for the things we want to see and not the things we don't. Like, there are so many bad "fringe" ideas out there now that I just make fun of now, but there's literally no reason why the right person can't make them happen and that's really scary. Like how many people have trouble grasping something as big as the holocaust even after it happened, forget about before. I read these books on various civil wars and before hand people are always like "oh we could never split groups x and y have been living together for centuries" and five years later their next door neighbour is cleansing their house.

But also that for every person that was like let's free the slaves there were probably 5 saying oh that's crazy talk but we can apply market standards for treating them humanely etcetc, that's a PRACTICAL response.

...I don't remember where I was going with this. Complacency worries me, but when people get so used to something is usually when change happens, that is good. I just worry always about who exactly will be the ones leading the way.

Gilgamish said...

Yes I was thinking about something when writing this, however I consider that something as inspirational and something that is freeing. I thin I was trying to tackle our free spirit which I believe is quite radical and it exists in us and within us Nadia,and i feel it. Our spirit is free and we should shed all these constrain that do not let our human spirit reign, that spirit that is not negative nor positive, just our human spirit.


"r every person that was like let's free the slaves there were probably "5 saying oh that's crazy talk but we can apply market standards for treating them humanely etcetc, that's a PRACTICAL response."


some sort of practicality is what actually kills radicalism at some point, and it also depends on perceptions, but as Iraqis, wasn't it when Iraqis chose to ally with the US for all the practicality and logistic plausibility it takes, was it what took Our real spirit or our own approach of Iraqi Radicalism???????


"...I don't remember where I was going with this. "

3ala ra7tich, roo7ie wain matroo7een u free in here :)

"Complacency worries me,"

do not feel worried Nadoo, maybe u feel angry with all the injustices.

"but when people get so used to something is usually when change happens, that is good."


hhmmm thats quite of an interesting point, maybe stability is needed in order for certain reform or development happen....

"I just worry always about who exactly will be the ones leading the way."

True, but somehow i was trying to delve through radicalism in a very free jump, with no fetters.

nadia said...

Oi I wrote the longest thing right before my browser crashed
anyways..

thats quite of an interesting point, maybe stability is needed in order for certain reform or development happen....

I has my first term of college in fall 2001 when one of my profs said something about people believing they've reached some grand plateau right before something really big happens. Like right before the French revolution everybody thought France had achieved some state of perfection, and then in the 1990s the cold war had ended and everyone was talking about the end of history, end of wars, unfettered global capitalism blablabla, and then things changed right after the end of that decade.

That made a big impression on me at the time. Also I remember that feeling in the 90s, not expecting anything to change, even though we know that things change all over the world all the time. But North America is weird like that; we are so isolated geographically, we can think of ourselves as separate and not a part of the world, that we don't get affected by these things.

re: the complacency...I think it's also when we don't expect anything to change we don't prepare for it, and then we're happy when just about anything happens, when maybe sometimes we shouldn't be so passive, and should be better at defining what it is we're "for", otherwise when we suck at articulating that, we end up legitimizing the "you're either with us or against" people because then there are only two sides.
...I was actually thinking about this in very general terms but I guess that applies to Iraq as well, but that is a huge subject I don't really know where to start.

I also think often incrementals and halfmeasures labelled as moderation is really illusive, but that's a whole other discussion.

Gilgamish said...

Nadia,


(ah, the browser, laish hichi laish :D )

On stability yielding to change.

Awesome point there, but couldn't be that each cause has its reason of it is own, isn't it another problem we people in the social "science" fall into, that is using a scientific variables to theorize change, hence the term science that I might not so agree on for us artsies. I believe in a comprehensive approach, that even includes psychoanalysis and on many different levels, we are way too complex and at times quite unpredictable as we do not know our subconscious fully and we might as well deceit oursleves (complacency), although there are things that we can use as a cursor to lead to something hence a scientific method though but not all the time it works on us the complex humans....... and what you said about the French revolution, i can not disagree, but agree...but what is your opinion regarding the american revolution, in today's context is actually quite radical, or even acts of terrorism, there we trespass ...relatively.

As for the end of war, and the spread of democracy via free markets and what not, amuzing, beautiful... hot, but isn't there the limited resources and medieval age type of backwardness which still exists under the guise of false "modernity"......


"
re: the complacency...I think it's also when we don't expect anything to change we don't prepare for it, and then we're happy when just about anything happens, when maybe sometimes we shouldn't be so passive, and should be better at defining what it is we're "for", otherwise when we suck at articulating that,"

It is super awesome how you conceptualized and articulated this point, but yeah i do agree, passive routine kills inspiration.

I am a great believer of cultured inspiration, through arts, and many other wholesome human experiences that can inspire and discover new points which maybe "radical" ..but that needs stability, true...bas not necessarily when the needs are required or when you have to, thats when you maybe need armed radicalism.

"we end up legitimizing the "you're either with us or against" people because then there are only two sides."

lack of inspiration, culture, MIND innovation, laziness, even though capitalism is so fast, it can createee slowww progress in the mind innovation , philosophically wise , since it concentrates on production, and technology. quite leftist but sorry.

"...I was actually thinking about this in very general terms but I guess that applies to Iraq as well, but that is a huge subject I don't really know where to start."

yeah, true, though true radicalism in Iraq has been excised, power politics....ghandi arm struggle b4, then pacifism...hey...another huge topic....



but all in all, i was thinking on a general level and theoretical in a very free way..and comprehensive and the base goes back to human feelings and inspiration..i think what i was trying to say...is that we can discover what is beneath through war and peace and regardless of ideology.i am roaming n the air now...

oh yeah, another thing i was inspired by and quite recently is......Ken Wilber "brief history of everything" have u read it.....


"I also think often incrementals and halfmeasures labelled as moderation is really illusive, but that's a whole other discussion."

I love how you put that in, i agree, but again limited resources, and have not reached an international consensus to reach that...but makes me think,naturally how free are we and without delving into war?
i dunno if i am making sense, but this discussion ham inspired me, thanx for internet and lack of censorships, tara i am easily inspired, im7ashisha by nature.

n excuse me for the jareeda.

my regards :)

nadia said...

Yeah it crashed on me again last night.
Anyways

but all in all, i was thinking on a general level and theoretical in a very free way..and comprehensive and the base goes back to human feelings and inspiration..i think what i was trying to say...is that we can discover what is beneath through war and peace and regardless of ideology.i am roaming n the air now...

Yeah I realize that I was kind of going on a tangent that was separate from what you were getting at. They're just specific things that have been dominating my thoughts lately-this is why I suck at philosophy. I think we agree on what you are talking about, basically.

Also yesterday my brother was telling me how he did a school project on apartheid in the 80s and he wrote that it was going to be around forever, or that change would happen very gradually decades from now. I think that's relevant somehow

About complacency, and the points I was bringing up in the last comment, I wasn't really arguing that it's necessarily a precondition for change, just that, these things happen despite it? It just seems like everytime there's a situation that appears unbearable and entrenched, yet it's accepted, something happens. Or maybe I'm just remembering the examples that fit into this pattern and I'm totally wrong.

I don't know that it's really an argument for anything more than how our minds work. People with power have to convince themselves that the status quo is just and logical and thus sustainable. People like not dying and thus would prefer to believe that things won't be shifted around in their lifetime. It makes sense really.