- More venting about the program -
I have more to say about the program, I did not watch the whole replay, only the last half quarter, they used names that make me itch, not necessarily for who they are, but the connotations behind them, words and names like “3alawi”, “9afawi”, “Hussien”, “Mu3awiya”. These names are just pure history for me, and they should not have implications on how I and other Iraqis should live, what matters in life is the human dignity, rights, freedoms, necessities like food, clothing, and the ultimate necessity, of course is safety.
But honestly, why can’t Iraqis liberate themselves from history, and historical propaganda that is so used and abused, how long should we dig in the same hole and get stuck in it.
It is time for rationality, and logical thinking, we should think about our economy, our dignity as people.
I love reading history so I can learn more, but we should also read history in order to change and make things up for the better, I always thought philosophically speaking, that history is a line in progress, maybe I am putting the west in mind, the kind of people that put archaic concepts behind and fought for their economic, civil and political rights, there is such thing as a minimum wage job in the west and that’s for a reason, women earned their rights because they fought for it, people separated religion from state and that was earned and was done for a reason, of course everything is relative, we do not have any modern leader that has announced publicly that he is an atheist, and nothing is perfect anyways. But the western liberal history is a progression and history is moving forward and the world can not bare its shortage at all, especially that the evangelical, extreme right is there, even its existence as a faint is dangerous, again the world can not bare its shortage, but in the Middle East, the soaring height of ignorance is disgusting, history does not move forward, history just moves into loops, it does not breath and be exposed to sunshine to kill these germs, it is the Mahdi that we are waiting for and the victimized notion of the self and its reflection upon a creation of a repeated history, unlearned, it is the definite fight with the Zionists, therefore no solution is to be found, it is the Middle eastern history, especially Iraqi history that is going into loops, into circles, not willing to be enlightened, forgive and to be forgotten. It is a rare incidence, if not it does not exist, that we have a new government in office, it has always been a huge mess, what does that tell us about us Iraqis?
My Lack of Everything
9 years ago
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Those names that were used simply reflected part of the problem. For 30 years, people were made to think in that way. Many Iraqis read for selected historians. The historians that tell their side of the story. Also, dont forget that religion in involved : usually that means reason and logic are thrown out of the window especially when any questioning is quickly silenced as blasphemy..etc.
Your suggested ideas are perfect if the society was abit more civilised and educated. Back to history, Europe went through similar stages of violence not that long ago. Maybe we are going through that as well, how lovely would it be to bypass that , I wish for it to be achieved :).
If only there were more people like you, Gilgamish. It seems like everyone with any power at all in Iraq is either a thug or a crony :(
Let me ask you, if early elections were called, do you think Iraqis would vote in new (and different) leadership? Or would they vote for the religious parties again, along sectarian lines?
I ask because it's been my hope that Iraqis can fix the government in the next elections, but would they?
Oh! One more question.... if the police forces all across Iraq have been infiltrated by sectarian groups, and a secular government was elected... would they be able to purge the police forces?
Something has to be done to get the power back from the militias and the insurgents, but damned if I can figure out what would work. I wouldn't want to be in a government that had little to no control over what the police do.
I'm not very bright so i tend to quote a lot.
So here goes:
"We learn from history that we never learn anything from history." - Georg W. Hegel
zmanutdz,
"Many Iraqis read for selected historians. The historians that tell their side of the story."
so true, they read their one-sided sources, to feed upon their thesis, to make them feel confident that they are right. And it is amazing how it is hard to debate with them, they way they negate things its just amazing, either they assume one is brain washed by the west and the zionists, or a secular hater. And it is even crazier, they pretend that Islam is a monothiest religion, whilst, they defend human beings as if they are almost gods, and i am talking of both sects in here, of course.
I think if shi'is and sunnis talk history, rationally and logically , history prior and after the 30 yrs span of time. It would be much appreciated.It is amazing how these two groups are ignorant about each other.
"Back to history, Europe went through similar stages of violence not that long ago"
i hope to bypass that too, but we have ppl that either glorify history particularly shari3a wise, or ppl who think that they are the only victims. It will probably take time, and hope logic kicks in :)
programmer craig,
Iraqi politics has always been bloody, and our history is even bloodier, it is time for us to develope independetly, but that needs alot of internal courage and intelligence from the inside, thats Iraqis.
"Let me ask you, if early elections were called, do you think Iraqis would vote in new (and different) leadership? Or would they vote for the religious parties again, along sectarian lines?"
i am not sure if i am qualified to answer this question, especially that i dont live in Iraq.
but i believe there are two ways of looking at it.
The availabe parties currently, and especially supported by the "Iraqi" media, are icons of secterian symbols, you generally see Sunni and Shi'i figures, seculars/independents are hardly as strong or as vivid as the secterian parties, even if they are , alot of ppl seemed that they have changed, it is about a security issue in iraq, the sunnnis will vote for sunnnis since they want someone to defend them and so on with the shi'is, especially that they feel that America is shifting direction when it comes to them.
"I ask because it's been my hope that Iraqis can fix the government in the next elections, but would they?"
yes they can if they choose a government that does not allienate groups, or a government that puts Iraqi interests first.
but first of all, there are many obstacles. Communications are lacking, lets even talking socially, people, individuals can not be together to discuss their matters, there is always the security issue, which needs a fix asap, and that also needs diplomacy from the government, nothing wrong to talk with the "resistance" groups, Iraqi ones of course.
And there is education, 300+ scientists and other phd intellectuals have been murdered, we have a shortage of enlightened people, we also, have ppl murdered bcz they were wearing shorts, and we even talking males in here.
People need to feel that they are secure, they need to feel that they do not need to vote for their "sect" or "group" in order to get their own respected rights/interests, how can that happen, it needs more work from the inside.
it needs alot. security/education.
".... if the police forces all across Iraq have been infiltrated by sectarian groups, and a secular government was elected... would they be able to purge the police forces? "
the secular tendencies ever since the leadership of abd kareed kasim were problematic to religious people, even the da'awa party since its conception, attracted sunnies even! , therefore the masses adhearing to such group, (thats besides that point that later supposed secular leaders like the desposed saddam hussien, his tainted secularism by his ill leadership)...so where was i......so yeah religious groups and radicals will always be a problem, also, foreign interventions, Iran will mind that, Iran needs an Iraqi government that have people that like of al hakim, the Iranian infiltration you see right now, will also be something the hypothetical secular gov have to face.
it is alot of mess, but the iraqi individual should be empowered, he has to rely on his/her good instincts, thik of his/her neighbourhood, i mean if this person wanted to something for his neighbour he would not consult the americans or the iranians to do so, it is quite naturally that he/she should consult the resources found in Iraq.
the Iraqi individual should be liberated, from man made history, religion should be percieved from a more enlightened light, and that takes education and the means to develop one's self, instead it is lacking in Iraq.
The plebian masses of Iraq can be swayed easily but it is when they are not pressured, they can be themselves, simply iraqis.
and this is just my opinion. :)
hi Jeffrey:
welcome to my blog, and wow thanx alot for featuring my blog in your site. :)
maxxedout:
no you are bright enough, ur neon shining color is hurting my eyes, and stopping the traffic..no jk, u know u r bright enough.
And thanx alot for your quote, but from where did you find it, i find it strange, i always though Hegel had a dialectical perception of history, probably i would like to know the context of that quote.
you take care ppl :)
interesting debate. but i dont think iraq is ready now for any massive change like the secular one.this's way so much progressive to a country that is dominated by foreign forces.
raghooda,
Iraq needs a massive change. but how, thats the question.
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