Friday, June 30, 2006

All mixed up. Of success....soccer, IQ and Culture.

Today, I was at my friend’s house to watch Germany and Argentina play. Oh my god, at first I thought they were like two concrete walls playing, and the game was only ball reflections, left to right and right to left, I was about to be hypnotized at one moment, but thank goodness, the Argentinean goal woke me up.
Both strong teams, although I kind of disliked the game, both were aggressive and the referee was not too honest, he gave this Argentinean guy (duno his name) a yellow card FOR Nothing! And there was this Ballack dude, he totally acted out when he cupped his hand over his nose, yeah right, he must be an A student in his drama class back in school, honestly, he did not even fell or hit his nose.

Anyways, both teams were tough, good great defenses, aggressive, fast, furious and want to win.

But one thing that distinguished the Germans, is their nerve made of steal ----Their Mental Power. The Germans never lost a penalty kick ever since 1976, they were determined, and they kicked the ball at ease, while the Argentineans, the look of fear, frustrations and anxiety was written all over the faces, especially those two players whom they lost the two kicks for Germany.

Believing in one’s ability and feeling at most comfort when doing something that needs an intricate detail of completion or endeavor is the top-notch requirement for success. But of course one has to know truly where his/her abilities at and how to direct his/her potentials, but then one should not be unconfident in the conviction that they can not do it.

The Germans they usually have high self-esteem, they believe in their abilities, they work hard to get where they want, no wonder why they are so proud of their superb technology and inventions!

And it somehow made me think back, I was once surfing the Internet and I came across a website about IQ correlation to countries’ wealth and success. How countries with high IQ tend to be more productive industrial countries and wealthy. I was somehow upset and felt it was untrue since the earliest of inventions were in the Middle East. But then this website led me to search for more contrary evidence to what the website champions.
And so I ended up reading internet materials about sociological factors, on how minorities back in the early 1990s -- when racist jokes were triumphed in America, used to do poorly in schools as compared to their improved performance if not above average when these racist jokes abolished or that change that the American culture witnessed to a more tolerant society. One prime example was the Jewish Poles. Also, they were some evidence of how black African kids do great in their early years but then slope down, and this is mainly to the stereotypical images they are fed by society of how African American are like.
And somehow I can relate that to my high school experience, I remember all my teachers used to scare the kids of how University is hard and it needs a lot of work, and my school was known as the gang school but then the name changed to refugee camp, but in my time they were mainly poor white kids, and apparently my school did not have much of graduates that go to University, very few. As for the messages portrayed about university in other schools, primarily in schools that have mainly rich kids are totally different, and it is all about nurturing their abilities, and I knew that since one of my best friends changed from the poor kids’ school to rich kids’ school, well the rich kids’ school they were mainly whites, and her being wearing the Hijab, she stoked out like a sore thumb, and according to her, her Chemistry teacher somehow treated her initially as stupid. But then she is a tough girl and she knows she is smart, and now she is a medical student, I think her success is mainly is that because she comes from a highly educated family, she knows she has it all, how about kids who have not being told that they can do it or come from cultures that are hampering

Not everyone has the believe and the conviction of their abilities, what if you come from a society that is pessimistic, and suppresses the individuals all the time, what if the society likes to chill out all the time and likes laziness, what if the society is conventional in every term possible and the orthodox way will always kill creativity, definitely each society will vary in productively and performance. The west is creative, they are innovative and work according to a plan, the East Asians (the Asian tigers) are very hardworking people, they never give up, and they work according to a plan. Of course, one cannot dismiss political conditions and that’s another story.

So to be successful, you gota know urself, and have the mental power to never let urself down. Alright?!

7 comments:

programmer craig said...

Hi Gilgamish,

Interesting post. I haven't heard that theory about IQ and national success before. In fact, I never even heard that there was an IQ differential between people of different ethnicities before! Do you have a link for the article? I'm curious to see what they were saying.

My own belief is that countries that empower the individual members of society to succeed, do the best. Countries the suppress the individual, do the worst. It's not always true, though.

Riot Starter said...

the chinese were suppressed but they sound smart to me...*smirk*
Well, there's a part of me that simply refuses to buy the "ethnic group affects IQ" but...I graduated from a very diverse school and...yeah..I'll have to agree. I haven't seen an asian not excelling in math, and I haven't seen a african getting anywhere near higher the higher level math class. It struck me odd but then it's easier to notice these differences at school than anywhere else in life.

Gilgamish said...

" In fact, I never even heard that there was an IQ differential between people of different ethnicities before! Do you have a link for the article? I'm curious to see what they were saying."

I do not have the same link to the website that I visted long time ago, I think about three yrs.
But here is wikidpedia, you can read about this subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence


Apparently the bell curve pertains that East Asians - Chinese, Japs and Koreans have the highest IQ rates, and Africans have the least. However, they seemed to leave the Jews out, they are only 0.25% of the world population but are 28% of the Nobel Price winners.
Also, from the link:

"In the United States, Jews, Japanese, and Chinese earn incomes 1.72, 1.32, and 1.12 times the American average, respectively (Sowell, 1981, p. 5). Jews and East Asians have higher rates of college attendance, greater educational attainment, and are many times overrepresented in the Ivy League and many of the United States' most prestigious schools,[117] even though affirmative action discriminates against Asians in the admissions process (relative to Whites as well as to other minorities)[118] At Harvard, for example, Asian American and Jewish students together make up 51% of the student body, though only constituting roughly 6% of the US population.[119] In various Southeast Asian nations, Chinese control a majority of the wealth despite being a minority of the population and are resented by the majority, in some cases being the target of violence.[120]"


However, this is quite contraversial in my opinion, hence there is no such think as a biological race, and scientists have not reached a solid conclusion if there is such a thing as a race or not.
In the matter of fact, two persons from supposdely two different "racial backgrounds" can have more genes in common, as oppose to two ppl from supposed common racial backgrounds.

Also:

"Indeed, the Rosenberg team found they could cluster the individuals in their sample into several different statistically significant groups, only one of which corresponded to five continents. They also found that no matter which clustering scheme they used, individuals could be placed in more than one group.

The reason for all this within-group variation is because unlike most other species, modern humans, Homo sapien sapiens, are young, only about 150,000 years or so old, and we've always moved. Human populations just haven't been isolated from each other long enough to evolve into separate sub-species, or races."

http://www.newsreel.org/guides/race/whatdiff.htm


"Countries the suppress the individual, do the worst. It's not always true, though. "

That is true, and I am not arguing against that.

"the chinese were suppressed but they sound smart to me...*smirk"

sure. Especially, now they are the rising powre, their economic growth is just amazing.

But really, what I am saying is, is that many of those scientists are leaving many important sociological factors.

And culture does matter, personality traits does matter.

The Chinese in my opinion are very hard working ppl and Asian in general practice Budhist work ethics. However, it does go extreme, in Japan some students commit suicide for not having a high grade.

Not all cultures are ambitious or as hardworking to that of the Asians.
Also, they have group dynamics, in my university, Chinese TAs will absolutely give higher priviliges to that of Chinese students, they do HELP each other, and in my opinion they are not necesarily the smarts, but the most hardworking.

Also, one important point I must make, is that the IQ level is not FIXED, and you can decrease or increase it UPON your choice.
A kid can be born from smart parents and therefore, he is smart, but he is not schooled or nourished, would his intelligence be as equivalent to that of a moderate IQ heridetory trait kid that has been schooled and nourished to be part of a culture that cherishe hardwork. I do not think so.


"I haven't seen an asian not excelling in math, and I haven't seen a african getting anywhere near higher the higher level math class. It struck me odd but then it's easier to notice these differences at school than anywhere else in life."

well I have seen dumbt asians and smart africans. I dunno, I would probably would look more into the sociological factors and the culture that they live in of those African students.

Like most of the earliest inventions had happend in the near east or middle east, and now look at them, not much in scientific achievements, could it be that the culture that thrived there was that of consistent on knowledge enquiry?

and how about the Greeks, where are they now, they are just another developing nation?

And I was aljzeera the other day, it was "7uwar maftoo7", "open dialouge",and the t.v presenter was all the way in China, interviewing chinese on what they know of the arab world.

One chinese man, he lived in syria, his reply about why is there not of economic success nor inovations in the arab world.
his reply was that, ARabs like to dance, sit in coffee shops, and play chess.

No matter how much the arabs feel they are victimized, they are just not that much on when it comes on doing something.

sorry i typed alot, but it is a big issue...

programmer craig said...

Ah... reading that wiki link, it seems there is a lot wrong with the way they did the testing! I would think they should have studied populations of blacks in Africa, Asians in Asia, Europeans in Europe, etc....

The US is an immigrant society and our ethnic populations have nbot all arrived the same way and for the same reasons.

Still, it's an interesting study. If nothing else, it illustartaes some of the diffiulcties of drawing conclusions from IQ test scores. For instance, some races have a lot more extreme variance than others - more genius scores and more learning disabled scores - which can have a bigger impact on society than it might seem! A genius like Albert Einstein can change the world, all by himself.

programmer craig said...

BTW, Gilgamish, I work with a lot of Arabs, Asians, South Asians, Iranians, etc (I'm a computer programmer after all :) ) and I'd say subjectively that Arabs are among the most highly skilled software developers. And software development takes more than intelligence, it takes creativity too. I would not rate east asians as highly as Arabs, in my job field. Or south asians either. Just a personal (and subjective) observations.

Iranians are also quite good.

Gilgamish said...

"The US is an immigrant society and our ethnic populations have nbot all arrived the same way and for the same reasons."

yeah conditions are important to study, and how they impact development.


"For instance, some races have a lot more extreme variance than others - more genius scores and more learning disabled scores - which can have a bigger impact on society than it might seem!"

that is interesting.


"and I'd say subjectively that Arabs are among the most highly skilled software developers. And software development takes more than intelligence, it takes creativity too"

that is good to hear. But I hope if they have more of this creativity to fix their messed up countries.

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